Crazy Folks

The other day my wife was talking about a friend who posts on Facebook a constant stream of simple-minded political remarks, much of it simply asserting the other side to be very bad people. "She's a great person," I said–which she is–"but you just have to accept that when it comes to politics she's crazy, and deal with her on that basis."

Having said that, I started thinking about the number of people I know to whom this applies. Really, and sadly, it's most of the people who have very strong political convictions, and these days it seems that most people do. There are some you can have a conversation with, but so many of them can only throw at you the sound bites and strawmen that are current with whichever side they're on. If you don't agree with them–and I generally disagree to at least some extent with all of them–you can either get into an unpleasant and frustrating argument, or try to change the subject, or simply make your getaway, whether that means backing out of an online discussion or a physical escape at a social event.  

Has it always been this way? I think the counsel against discussing religion and politics in social settings has been around for a long time. And it certainly isn't a brand-new thing, because Walker Percy satirized it in Love in the Ruins. That was written at the end of the '60s, and I think the syndrome had gotten considerably worse over the preceding five or six years, with the polarization of the old more-or-less conservative middle-class culture and the new cultural leftism: the conflict became then not just a difference of views about specific issues but a deep disagreement about fundamentals–a religious division, for all practical purposes.

Someone or other has called our present environment a culture of outrage. And outrage is certainly what you get with the crazy folks, the ones you really shouldn't talk politics with. Face to face, they almost seem to swell up, and their voices rise and get that barking or baying tone.

The Internet has made it worse, if only by bringing people into more frequent contact, and by allowing them to get indignant without the inhibiting effect of personal contact. I claim credit for seeing this before the web existed, when the Internet was only Usenet, a much more limited and limiting environment. I described it in a piece for Caelum et Terra called "Global Metropolis." The culture we were developing, I said, using Usenet as a harbinger, was looking less like a village, where everybody knows everybody else, than like a big city, where people congregate in great numbers at close proximity but remain strangers, frequently hostile strangers.

I guess we've always had, for instance, the cranky family member of whom everybody says "Don't get him started" on some subject or other. But it's begining to feel like we're becoming a nation of fanatical aunts and uncles whom one really shouldn't get started. I'm trying not to be one of them. But don't get me started.

19 responses to “Crazy Folks”

  1. Good post, Mac, and very true. Although I am a crazed liberal I’m not too interested in arguing the point. I have had lifelong friends get so mad at me online for not agreeing with them (agreeing that they are correct and I am wrong) that they have “unfriended” me. So it goes. Life is too short to deal with craziness. Like you say, we all disagree with each other to some extent over these hot button issues.

  2. I think there have been a couple of watersheds in the political culture in my memory. Robert Bork, who was Solicitor-General ca. 1975 and then on the Circuit Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit after 1980 identified 1981 as a turning point in the evolution of ‘official Washington’ (Capitol Hill and one or two degrees removed). It seems to be there has been a stepwise decay since about 1992, the steps being 1992, 1998, 2003, and some point around 2010. The social circles affected extend all the way to encompass any person who follows public affairs with any degree of attention, not just official Washington. Political partisans are willing to defend conduct and ignore conduct that would have been recognized across the spectrum as scandalous 30 years ago and done on the QT if at all.

  3. You and I generally find other things more interesting to talk about, Stu. Which I guess means we’re not at the crazy uncle point.:-)
    I would never break off a friendship over politics, but it certainly can create a barrier.

  4. What does Bork say happened in 1981? That’s not the year he was “borked,” was it? That was certainly a turning point, I think. The rallying round Clinton was another. Nixon was forced out of office because things reached a point where his own party would not defend him. The Democrats have, you might say, a higher threshold.
    Many have pointed out that a major charge against Nixon was that he considered using the IRS against his enemies, while Obama’s partisans have simply stonewalled against the very real possibility that he actually did it. Certainly it was done in his administration.

  5. Argh. I just noticed that I used “affect” where I meant “effect” in the post. Corrected now, but I’m so ashamed. I notice that I tend to commit grammatical errors much more now, and I blame the Internet.

  6. No, his nomination was defeated in 1987. Bork had been an official in the Nixon and Ford Administration and then returned in 1981 to take a seat on the Court of Appeals. He said there had been a very abrupt change in the culture around that time. What he said was “that’s when liberals turned vicious”.

    What interests me is that George W. Bush, a status-quo legacy pol who’s challenges to business-as-usual were just to small bits around the edges, was spoken of at least as vitriolically as Ronald Reagan ever was, and Ronald Reagan’s challenges to the politico-economic order were front-and-center. Bush the Younger was the least rhetorically confrontational President in my life time. Imagine Bush casting 24 vetoes in an average year and going on television to denounce the U.S. Congress for inefficiency using a desk calendar as a prop (“February. [tears off page]. Congress did nothing”). Gerald Ford did that. Ford took much less abuse than Bush ever did.
    Bork undertook one controversial act during his years as Solicitor-General, firing Archibald Cox in 1973. If I recall the news reports at the time and subsequent memoirs, Bork was only mentioned in passing in that whole controversy. Nixon wanted Cox gone and Nixon was held responsible.
    When Bork was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1987, his enemies raised the issue and press inquiries were made (as well as inquiries of Bork on the stand). It did not play much of a role in the controversy afterward. Elliot Richardson, William Ruckleshaus, and Bork all related that they had met to discuss the dismissal of Cox and agreed on a sequence of events. Richardson and Ruckelshaus would depart from office (Richardson resigned; there is some confusion about whether Ruckleshaus resigned or was fired for insubordination) and Bork would fire Cox. Their anxiety was that if Bork departed with them, Nixon would appoint an acting attorney-general from among the flunky lawyers on the White House staff which would in turn provoke a mass resignation among attorneys in the Criminal Division and other loci.
    Bork was not a particularly controversial figure in 1973. In 1987, he had to explain himself. On his death in 2012, he was subject to vitriolic denunciation for executing a legal order to fire another federal official. That’s the change in the political culture.

  7. Interesting history, especially as Gerald Ford seems to be someone we all remember fondly, conservatives and liberals. As part of a time when the two parties talked to each other and got things done. But now with the internet, 24 hr news coverage, and the rise of divisive politics that keeps the public involved (at least in listening and agreeing with one side or the other), everyone seems to be maligned in one way or the other, no matter which side you “represent”. I put the last word in quotes because I don’t think most politicians represent anyone other than themselves being re-elected.

  8. Yeah, I was thinking the borking episode was in the late ’80s. That was eye-opening to me. Ted Kennedy utterly and forever disgraced himself. But he suffered no penalty even in reputation except among those who already thought very little of him.
    The denunciations of Bush after the start of the Iraq war were somewhat understandable. But I think it’s been forgotten, because that was so intense, that the left already hated him, and it was certainly disproportionate to say the least. Part of that was fury at the fact that he came out on top in the Florida fiasco.
    The right was pretty over the top about Clinton, too (and to my mind he deserved a lot of it). But I think there was a difference in that Bush hatred was less confined to people outside the mainstream and the establishment.
    “Bush the Younger was the least rhetorically confrontational President in my life time.” What about Bush the Elder? They seem about even to me.

  9. Louise

    Don’t get me started either. 🙂
    If you have time, Maclin, I’d be interested in what you think of this article.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/belloc-vs-the-anglosphere/

  10. Louise

    I would never break off a friendship over politics, but it certainly can create a barrier.
    I can’t imagine doing it either, but if the barrier is sufficient enough, it can certainly strain the relationship severely.

  11. Louise

    There was one comedienne I saw on the ‘net who asserted that all women are crazy and complex and all men are simple and delusional.
    I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, it sure would explain a lot!

  12. I probably won’t have a chance to read that article till at least the middle of the day.
    Well, y’all are complex, that’s for sure. And crazy? well…sometimes…

  13. I think if you did a content analysis of the public speeches of father and son, you’d find the son was more reserved and muted in his characterizations. People who complained about the son’s syntactical labyrinths and malapropisms forgot that it’s something of a family trait: his father was painful to listen to in a way the son was not.

  14. Actually I always found both of them painful, though in different ways.

  15. I almost started laughing when I read the reading from Acts at Mass today–and I was the lector. It made me think of this post, and the way politically crazy people react to and manipulate each other.
    AMDG

  16. I was going to link to the reading.
    http://www.usccb.org/bible/readings/060514.cfm
    AMDG

  17. “A great uproar occurred” when internet use became widespread.
    I thought of a better tag line for this when I posted it on Facebook: St. James wants to spoil your internet fun.
    I guess y’all have seen this famous xkcd.

  18. I’d not seen that before.
    AMDG

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