The Waning of Adulthood (2)

Lena Dunham is an actress whose name I recognize, though I have never seen her perform, because she gets into the news now and then. She attracted some attention during the 2012 election for some asinine comments comparing voting for the first time to losing one's virginity to a special someone, with the special guy in this case being, naturally, Barack Obama.

A few days ago she attracted the attention of Kevin Williamson of National Review by publishing a list of five reasons for voting,  most of which are as asinine as her 2012 remarks. Reason #1: "When you vote, you feel so, so good." Williamson's scathing response is "Five Reasons You're Too Dumb to Vote", and if you want to skip his scath and see what she said, it's here.

There are two things that principally strike me about her piece: 1) its generally vapid and childish tone, which seems deliberate;  2) the fact that its chief political concern is the preservation of the right to sexual freedom without consequence.  

Surely these are connected. Miss Dunham is 28 years old. Two generations ago that would have been considered mature. The typical 28-year-old would have been married with children and therefore holding some responsible position in the world, whether as breadwinner or housekeeper. It was still the case more often than not for my generation, though the large contingent of bohemians and quasi-bohemians were holding on to their adolescence for as long as they could. Now, at least if you judge by popular culture–not necessarily a valid approach–that attempt seems to be the norm for a lot of people. And of course sexual indulgence is at the core of it.

We were talking here a week or so ago about the diminishment of the concept of adulthood, and I mentioned a New York Times piece on the subject. I had not at the time read the whole thing, but now I have–it's here–and it more than confirms the impression I've had for some years now, that the dimishment is real, and that it's actively encouraged and applauded by many influential voices. The piece is by a film critic, and there's a lot of the sort of silly stuff I've come to expect in popular culture–he can use the word "era" to describe a period within the last decade when certain TV shows were current–but there is some real perception there, too, and a worrisome appraisal of the culture–worrisome because of what it says, and because the author seems to approve, though with some qualifications, as in this typical paragraph (the "figures" referred to are adults in American literature going back to Huckleberry Finn and further):

Looking at those figures and their descendants in more recent times โ€” and at the vulnerable patriarchs lumbering across the screens to die โ€” we can see that to be an American adult has always been to be a symbolic figure in someone elseโ€™s coming-of-age story. And thatโ€™s no way to live. It is a kind of moral death in a culture that claims youthful self-invention as the greatest value. We can now avoid this fate. The elevation of every individualโ€™s inarguable likes and dislikes over formal critical discourse, the unassailable ascendancy of the fan, has made children of us all. We have our favorite toys, books, movies, video games, songs, and we are as apt to turn to them for comfort as for challenge or enlightenment.

As is suggested by "vulnerable patriarchs," the writer through most of the piece comes close to making "adult" and "patriarch" synonymous, which is pretty significant. The implications of all this for our future are as disturbing as the extent to which they actually represent social reality, and not just the daydreams of people immersed in pop culture.

(Why is this The Waning of Adulthood (2)? Because I wrote about the same thing back in 2012.)

60 responses to “The Waning of Adulthood (2)”

  1. From the Williamson article: “If you would like to be filled with despair for the prospects of democracy, spend a few minutes attempting to decipher the psephological musings of Lena Dunham, the distinctly unappealing actress commissioned by Planned Parenthood to share with her presumably illiterate following โ€œ5 Reasons Why I Vote (and You Should, Too).โ€ Thatโ€™s 21st-century U.S. politics in miniature: a half-assed listicle penned by a half-bright celebrity and published by a gang of abortion profiteers.”
    Yeah, pretty much. I made the mistake of reading the whole thing and her list as well.
    ๐Ÿ˜ฆ
    “She attracted some attention during the 2012 election for some asinine comments comparing voting for the first time to losing one’s virginity to a special someone…”
    Yeah. It’s totally the same thing. ๐Ÿ˜›

  2. I will say that “filled with despair” is only a slight exaggeration of my reaction.

  3. Lena D does stroke me ss an especially unplessamt youmg person

  4. I don’t have anything to go on except these few remarks, but I certainly don’t have any desire to see her perform.

  5. She was in a soap named Girls which didn’t sound like one I wanted to watch. Some said, you must watch this to see where the young folk are. But no, it’s not one I want to watch. She gets profiled in Vogue, which I read at the hairdresser. I think or hope that maybe she gets profiled and highlighted a lot because she is the one saying things the elite want her to be saying, not because she is typical.

  6. Don’t know her at all, but this is the second time this week her name’s come up in something I’ve read:
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/girls-on-film/
    Deeply confused girl.

  7. “Some said, you must watch this to see where the young folk are.”
    Hmmm. The Father waited at home until the prodigal son got sick of being in his pig pen!
    “I think or hope that maybe she gets profiled and highlighted a lot because she is the one saying things the elite want her to be saying, not because she is typical.”
    I would hope so too.

  8. I was at a bookstore today and saw a HUGE stack of Dunham’s book on display. If I’d known how to post pictures here, I’d have taken one and shared it with y’all. Sometimes being asinine pays.

  9. Rob’s link actually makes me think a little better of her. The whole subject of contemporary relations between the sexes is huge, and something I think about a lot, and think about writing about, but there’s just too much to say. I think pornography is probably having a very seriously corrosive effect on a lot of people in a lot of ways, and even short of that, what Dunham says about the messed-up ideas of sex that people get from ordinary movies is true.
    I’m really really sick of that movie/tv scene where the hero and heroine, frequently only slightly acquainted, suddenly pounce on each other and fall onto the bed or couch or floor.

  10. One fears that these days being asinine often pays.

  11. El Miserable

    I probably do not have anything too positive to add, and have almost run out of any reasons to vote at all, thinking it to be a delusional experience. And – I know almost nothing about Lena Dunham, nor have I ever seen her show. But what I do know is that she is not your usual extremely thin, makeup enhanced female celebrity. Thus the fact that she is a female celebrity in this day and age is a positive thing for young women just “looking” at female celebrities out there and worrying about their own shapes and sizes. The second thing will sound hypocritical based on my first sentence, but THEY say that getting out the young people to vote is the important thing, and therefore a celebrity saying “go vote” is a positive, right?

  12. Marianne

    From Naked on the Page, the Atlantic’s review of Dunham’s book:

    At age 28, Dunham has now published her own book of autobiographical essays. David Sedaris, in a splendidly redundant blurb, claims that her writing is โ€œfull of surprises where you least expect them.โ€ I disagree: Not That Kind of Girl is pretty much just what I expected from Dunham, which is to say that it is witty, illuminating, maddening, bracingly bleak, and apparently compulsive in its revelations. โ€œI am not a sexpert, a psychologist, or a dietitian,โ€ she warns us in the introduction. โ€œI am not a mother of three or the owner of a successful hosiery franchise. But I am a girl with a keen interest in having it all, and what follows are hopeful dispatches from the frontline of that struggle.โ€

    I read the whole piece, waiting to see just how she earned that “witty, illuminating, maddening, bracingly bleak” description. The closest I came were lines like these:
    “…there is a slightness, a Sedaris-ness, to some of the anecdotes. But Dunham has an edge here, a secret weapon: her absolutely unsentimental artistic detachment. It hovers and it pierces; it gives her the good lines.”
    “[One of Dunham’s annotations to her email] tells us that [a young man she calls A] had an ‘angry little Steve McQueen face’ and that it took a little while for Dunham to realize that ‘spending time with him gave me an empty, fluish feeling.’ Thatโ€™s a mind-altering, permission-granting lineโ€”somewhere a teenage girl reads it and decides to dump her numskull boyfriend.”
    “Thereโ€™s something very contemporary in Dunhamโ€™s self-exposure, her restlessly accelerated processing of her own experience.”
    “Dunham, however, unlike Charlie Sheen on his Violent Torpedo of Truth tour, is a genuine artist, and a disturber of the order.”
    I’ve read the review twice, but still haven’t decided whether the author of the review was doing some tongue-in-cheek, or rather he meant us to take his words at face value. I tend toward the latter, though.

  13. I’m quite sure he does. I cannot bear that kind of inanity, the combination of a sort of education with pop-culture shallowness. Something like “…restlessly accelerated processing of her own experience” gives me a visceral reaction–not nausea, exactly–angrier than that. If I were to detect myself writing and thinking like that I think I’d break my fingers, so at least if I had those thoughts I couldn’t propagate them.

  14. I agree about the “body image” stuff, El Miserable–yes, that is a good thing. That also is another big topic. Every now and then I read or hear something from a young woman that makes me realize it’s a really big deal for them, and can really mess them up. I sort of wonder how these models et.al. manage not to grow any hips. :-/ I suspect malnutrition has something to do with it–I don’t think that many women are that thin by nature.
    Anyway, I’ve always liked curvy.
    But “THEY say that getting out the young people to vote is the important thing, and therefore a celebrity saying “go vote” is a positive, right?” No, no, no! THEY are totally wrong. There is no virtue whatsoever in voting if you don’t have a clue what’s going on, how our government is supposed to work, what the constitution is all about, etc. The fewer of those “LIV”s (“low information voters”) who go to the polls, the better.

  15. You could still type with one of those sticks attached to your forehead.

  16. Way too lazy for that.

  17. “I’m really really sick of that movie/tv scene where the hero and heroine, frequently only slightly acquainted, suddenly pounce on each other and fall onto the bed or couch or floor.”
    That’s happening even in commercials now. Reason no. 2471 not to watch TV.

  18. El Miserable

    Such is life in a democracy – let them all vote! Informed, uninformed, pro-constitution, anti-constitution … if they’re crazy enough to register, drive to a polling place, wait in line with ruffians and such, cast a vote that only makes you feel good about yourself and really does nothing else. God bless them! What does the Constitution mean, anyway? What does the Church mean? It should be about the people. ๐Ÿ™‚

  19. Let me encourage you not to vote. ๐Ÿ™‚

  20. Go onto Amazon and pick a bestselling book at random. Read the reader reviews. Seriously — we want these people picking our leaders? And these are the ones who can read.
    I’m for a very simple IQ test for voters: if it’s not higher than the temperature of the room in which you’re going to vote you don’t get to do it.

  21. I wouldn’t make it IQ, but I’d require a certain level of understanding of what the constitution says and how the government is supposed to operate, just at the mechanical level, not at the level of broad goals (“equality”, etc.)
    That Psych Today piece kind of massively misses the point. I hope the author doesn’t vote. “It should be about the people” makes me think of the H.L. Mencken line about democracy: “the principle that the people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

  22. And btw, re Amazon reviews, xkcd had a good one re YouTube comments, which are vastly worse than Amazon reviews (which presumably are mostly by people who can read): Listen To Yourself

  23. Marianne

    This talk about voting reminded me of a video from March of this year. The interviewer went to American University in Washington, D.C., and asked some students to name one U.S. senator and also how many senators there are from each state. Most struggled mightily to come up with answers.

  24. The way the electoral process is set up, county and municipal boundaries are drawn, and the way the different layers of government are funded encourages abstention, confusion, and apathy. The current generation may be marginally worse than others, but voters have a history of being ill-informed bar in peculiar circumstances. When I was a student of political science many moons ago, we were assigned academic articles on the topic written as long ago as 1948, at the dawn of valid public opinion surveys. (The thesis of that article was that voters have a tendency to attribute to politicians they like views they like, rather than learning the politicians stated views).
    Only about 12% of the population both follow the public affairs and maintain a filing system which allows them to remember anything, and intelligent people reflect the prejudices of their social circle in how they filter what they know. IQ tests are not going to help all that much.
    As for requiring civic knowledge, you’re assuming people would be motivated by breaches of procedure per se. They’re out there, but they’re not very numerous. In my experience, they’re least numerous among the educated, who think proper procedure is one which gets their excellent selves the public policies they want.
    The most educated people also have the least respect for give and take, because they do not begin with the assumption that others are their social equal and conceptualize statements of opinion made by the non-Us as classroom disruption (though they may be outdone in intolerance from time to time by slum blacks when gut issues are at stake).

  25. The problem with public life was identified by Edward Banfield (IIRC): the vast majority of people are ‘rationally ignorant’ of public affairs. The return on the time investment just is not worth it for them. Of course, this sort of calculation creates problems for civic spirit.

  26. This talk about voting reminded me of a video from March of this year. The interviewer went to American University in Washington, D.C., and asked some students to name one U.S. senator and also how many senators there are from each state. Most struggled mightily to come up with answers.
    The secret of generating such Candid Camera embarrassments is to ask groups of students over and over and then use the footage of the worst performers.
    It would be agreeable if we gave elementary education more focus, and required drilling in the fundamentals of American history, geography, and civics from age 8 to age 13. Of course, they’d have to retain what they were drilled in, and believe it mattered.

  27. Seriously — we want these people picking our leaders? And these are the ones who can read.
    The reviews on Amazon never bother me. Mostly they tell me what’s controversial and that people who buy a book are usually invested in their decision.
    And, yes we do. There is no reliable and systematic way to rotate office holders in and out than through popular election (unless you’d like to try lotteries) and no safe way to sort the electorate outside a few simply stated rules (no aliens, no juveniles, no current convicts, no felons, and no one not registered by a certain date). Property qualfications and poll taxes are manipulable, examinations are even more manipulable, and the survey research current as of thirty years ago (at least, see William Schneider on the point) reveals that social stratum is a weak vector in influencing political preferences (which would tend to discredit property qualifications and poll taxes). (Daniel Nichols will blow a gasket at that assertion, I’m sure).

  28. “As for requiring civic knowledge, you’re assuming people would be motivated by breaches of procedure per se. They’re out there, but they’re not very numerous. ”
    Now that’s a truly depressing statement. But I don’t know that “procedures” is the right term for what I’m talking about. That may be too narrow. Ultimately it’s the big concept, the “government of laws, not of men” concept. Hardly anybody would be seriously upset if, for instance, a law came into existence by means of legislative procedures that were not strictly by the book. But I think–I hope I’m wrong, but I think–we have an awful lot of people who simply think that the government should do at any given moment whatever “the people” want, regardless of whether it conflicts with existing law or not. You hear an awful lot of that in the gun debate: people who seem to feel that to make the case (or often merely the assertion) that private gun ownership is “unnecessary” is grounds for the government taking them away. Or that any problem that needs solving is necessarily the responsibility of the national government. Etc.
    “social stratum is a weak vector in influencing political preferences” I don’t know that many on either the left or the right would be too surprised at that. “What’s the matter with Kansas?” etc.

  29. I’m with you El M. about the “delusional experience.” That might be one of the best descriptions of the act.
    “Lena D does stroke me ss an especially unplessamt youmg person”
    This looks like code for something unsavory.

  30. on my phone – I am always hitting ‘s’ for ‘a’ – but I don’t know how I wrote ‘stroke’ instead of ‘strike’!

  31. Fr. Matthew Venuti

    I’ve seen a few episodes of Girls. It goes something like this: no one has a job, so they ask their parents for money. Several people have some sort abusive sexual relations. A gay character comes on screen for no reason. Everyone complains “is this all life is?” Then Dunham appears nude. Rinse and repeat for every episode.
    I should have been born in 1900…

  32. Seems to be one of those cultural artifacts that’s basically junk but is significant because of what it and its popularity say about the condition of society.
    I figured that was phone work, Grumpy.

  33. “YouTube comments, which are vastly worse than Amazon reviews”
    Oh, absolutely. They can be dreadful.
    “The reviews on Amazon never bother me. Mostly they tell me what’s controversial and that people who buy a book are usually invested in their decision.”
    You must be reading different ones that I am.

  34. I actually haven’t read that many Amazon reviews, but my limited experience is that they are extremely uneven. The best are very much worth reading, the worst are on the YouTube level. I’ve seen some on conservative books that were along the lines of “teabaggers are stupid lol”.

  35. You must be reading different ones that I am.
    No, I look at the counts and skip over the two-sentence insult reviews (or the two sentence raves).

  36. Robert Gotcher

    “teabaggers are stupid lol” Usually there are some other words mixed in. Words that make me not want my children to read youtube reviews.

  37. “I think pornography is probably having a very seriously corrosive effect on a lot of people in a lot of ways, and even short of that, what Dunham says about the messed-up ideas of sex that people get from ordinary movies is true.”
    Things are getting to be far worse than they were – without a doubt. I cannot even tell you what one poor boy we know was hearing at the lunch table at the new, small Catholic high school. It was so bad and on so many occasions in the first few weeks of school this year that his parents decided to take him out of school and home school him again. And I was pretty shocked at what his mother told me he heard and yet I’ve read lots of awful things on the ‘net over the years. Oh my!
    Little wonder if Lena et al are messed up.

  38. I can imagine, unfortunately. As always with this kind of stuff, the “don’t watch it if you don’t like it” line is an ugly lie, because you can’t get away from it. It’s like allowing smoking in public and telling people “don’t breath it if you don’t like it.”

  39. Marianne

    Re breathing and the air around us — I just began reading a book by Ruth Burrows, Love Unknown, and came across this:

    It is an abiding grief to me that many faithful religious people, even regular churchgoers, understand little of the great truths they sincerely profess to believe. My special grief is for our young people. As children, they accompany their parents to church and delight in what goes on, perhaps active in the liturgy as acolytes and servers. But unless a real love for Jesus is awakened in their hearts, unless they have been helped to perceive something of the wonder and sheer beauty of the content of the faith in which they are instructed, how can they withstand the atheism of our materialistic society? It is in the very air they must breathe.

  40. “But unless a real love for Jesus is awakened in their hearts, unless they have been helped to perceive something of the wonder and sheer beauty of the content of the faith in which they are instructed, how can they withstand the atheism of our materialistic society? It is in the very air they must breathe.”
    Right. That is why we must try to actually evangelise our children as well as catechise them. They need a personal relationship with Jesus. This cannot be forced but it has to be attempted. Eventually each child must make their own decision to follow Christ and if that love has been awakened, they have all the reason they need to do so. But parents cannot simply make it happen. Pretty tough.
    “As always with this kind of stuff, the “don’t watch it if you don’t like it” line is an ugly lie, because you can’t get away from it.”
    Exactly. Actually the analogy to smoking is something the average non-Christian might actually understand!

  41. “Parents cannot simply make it happen.” Alas. There are a lot of things you can do for your children, but not that.
    The “air we breathe” image also reminds me of Flannery O’Connor’s, about nihilism being part of the atmosphere of the time. Seems like we had a discussion here once about whether “nihilism” was the right word for what she was describing, but even if it wasn’t, the basic idea is accurate enough.
    I thought Ruth Burrows’s name sounded familiar, but couldn’t place it right off. Then I remembered that Magnificat has used quotes from her in their daily meditations.

  42. Marianne

    Ruth Burrows is the pen name of Sister Rachel, a Carmelite in England. Here’s a 2012 interview with her.

  43. I don’t think Magnificat mentions that it’s a pen name. I did sort of wonder why she wasn’t “sister”, since it did say she’s a Carmelite. I haven’t read the interview yet…later.

  44. Marianne

    If Lena’s five reasons to vote are a cause of near-despair, I don’t know how we’ll survive this: Rock The Vote Presents: #TURNOUTFORWHAT

  45. The only thing that keeps me from saying “We are doomed. We are doomed.” is the hope that this is actually representative of and appealing to a very small number of people.

  46. I watched that whole thing, Marianne.
    Democracy is screwed. :/

  47. If I wanted to press my case that young people are stupid foolish, this would make a good piece of evidence.

  48. Can’t watch it — I’m already too pessimistic!

  49. It certainly would, Maclin. Rob, I’m amazed my head didn’t explode.

  50. Robert Gotcher

    Rob G. Let me give you a hint. What is the biggest joint (blunt) you can imagine?

  51. The only thing that keeps me from saying “We are doomed. We are doomed.” is the hope that this is actually representative of and appealing to a very small number of people.
    The issue of the entertainment media is now composed of niche material.
    Linda Kelsey was a common and garden television actress whose career was at its peak around about 1979. The number of viewers who saw her on the tube in a typical week exceeds that for Lena Dunham by a considerable multiple. Without checking IMDB, do you remember who Linda Kelsey is?

  52. It is funny. I could see Linda Kelsey’s face quite clearly, but didn’t remember where I had seen her. I associate that show with earlier in the decade, but AD is right about the time frame.

  53. Absolutely no idea here. But I’ve never watched that much tv, and less then than at some other times.

  54. The name doesn’t ring a bell, but that was when I was in college and didn’t have a TV. Consequently, I wasn’t paying much attention.
    (now looking on IMDB)
    Nope — face doesn’t ring a bell either!

  55. Ok, I’ve looked it up, too. I never saw the show at all, so I’m not a good test.
    Still, the point is valid–the days of most of America watching the same tv shows etc. are gone.

  56. That show and Eight is Enough are probably the only shows I watched during that period (my college years).
    Oh, and Mork and Mindy.

  57. Marianne

    About the influence of niche entertainment — these two bits of data are scary: in 2008, the youth voter turnout was up by 2 million from 2004, and Rock the Vote (the folks who made the video I linked to) registered 2.6 million voters in 2008.

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