After the Election

What a surprise. Not an entirely unwelcome one for me. As my wife said, there was going to be trouble if somebody won the election. But I think I prefer this trouble to the alternative.

Some of those on the losing side have gone rather around the bend. I'm not sure whether they really believe that Trumpian storm troopers are going to drag them from their beds in the middle of the night, or it's just that odd thrill, similar to that of watching a horror movie, that some people seem to get out of imagining such things while in their hearts knowing that they aren't going to happen. I wonder about this person, for instance:

So I am in my reality and they are in theirs and still we live in the same world; and there are others, who have been legitimized and mobilized by Trump’s win, whose reality includes my extinction and my families’ extinction, and the extinction of anyone who is not white in America.

Extinction? Really?

One of the oddest things about that piece is that she is a young (I assume) Chinese-American woman whose own family members were victims of Mao's Cultural Revolution. But she blames, not the communist government that actually perpetrated it, but "fascism." Well, that unfortunately is fairly indicative of the continuing unwillingness of the left to face the historical truth about communism. 

I guess there is no reason, other than a combination of bewilderment and alarm, to multiply examples of such sentiments. I'm sure everyone has seen plenty of them. There are a lot of hysterical predictions, and a lot of reports about various acts of bigotry. No doubt there have been some, but I think there is a lot of exaggeration and outright fabrication, as this piece at Reason (the libertarian site) shows.

I had hoped that having Donald Trump as president might make some on the left reconsider the wisdom of consolidating more and more power in the central government and in the presidency in particular. I'm not seeing any indication of that, though. The effect seems to be rather to inflame their desire to take control and keep it. Screams of hate and fear seem to be the predominant mode of expression. A few liberals have tried to make the point that the obvious contempt of their fellows for everyone who disagrees with them played a role in Hillary's defeat, but I don't get the feeling that very many are listening. 

The racial climate may have changed permanently for the worse. Whatever Trump's own views may be, it can't be denied that genuine racists have hitched themselves to his wagon. What seems more significant to me, though, is that he has catalyzed something that I've been predicting for a long time: that whites would decide that they should do what other groups are doing and openly look to their own interests as a group. As someone said the other day, identity politics for me but not for thee was never going to work as a permanent state of affairs. It seemed to be taken for granted by many on the left that the role of whites in our racial politics was to stand still and be beaten while apologizing. 

At The Federalist there's an excellent analysis, by a writer named David Marcus, of what's happened: "This Election Marks the End of America's Racial Détente". He describes the situation from the passage of the civil rights laws until quite recently as a period of détente in which

The rules of the deal were pretty straightforward. For whites, they stated that outright racist statements and explicit appeals to white racial identity were essentially banned. Along with this, whites accepted a double standard about the appropriateness of cultural and political tribalism. For obvious and reasonable historical and economic reasons, black and brown people explicitly pursuing their own interests was viewed differently than whites doing the same thing.

The other side of the deal was that so long as white people were sufficiently punished for acts of outright racism, minority leaders and communities would be cautious with accusations of racism….

Privilege theory and the concept of systemic racism dealt the death blow to the détente. In embracing these theories, minorities and progressives broke their essential rule, which was to not run around calling everyone a racist. As these theories took hold, every white person became a racist who must confess that racism and actively make amends…

Within the past few years, as privilege theory took hold, many whites began to think that no matter what they did they would be called racist, because, in fact, that was happening….

 The unfortunate place where we now find ourselves is one in which blatant attacks on white people, often from white people, are driving them further into a tribal cocoon. Samantha Bee’s awful and irresponsible berating of white women as the evil force behind Trump’s victory, while condescendingly describing magical people of color as the only ones who can save us, is a clear example of where white defensiveness and victimization are coming from.

Furthermore, the ever-present drumbeat from the Left that every conservative victory is the death throes of bad, old white people who are about to be swept away by waves of brown immigration is making many whites dig in. On a certain level, how can you blame them? They are explicitly being told that their values and way of life are under the sword. How do we expect them to react?

How indeed? As I've said more than once here: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

(I think Samantha Bee is a comedian. Not sure. Maybe one of those "comedians" who are 50% jokes and 50% left-wing blather.)


27 responses to “After the Election”

  1. In New York, there adverts for Samantha Bee’s TV show on the subways. They said, ‘You are sexist if you don’t watch it!’. I thought, that’s great, it seems even feminists are laughing at themselves now!’ It looks like however it was not meant as a joke.

  2. You know if you get to the movies way too early there’s a first tranch of trailers, with terrible adverts for local furniture stores. At least once, later on NYC I got to the mid town cinema too early and saw an advert for the Samantha Bee TV show. It’s not at all funny. It was that which first gave me pause.

  3. Old joke (maybe from the ’70s):
    Q: How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: That’s NOT funny!
    I take it S Bee is a “stand-up” sort of comedian? I rarely find them very funny anyway.

  4. I was going to comment on your bad thoughts post that after a flurry of self-flagellation by a new liberals who seem to be honest, the rest have really dug in in a very nasty way. I listening to Mississippi Public Broadcasting on the radio when I’m driving, partly because I can’t get anything, but I’m thinking that I might just not be able to listen to All Things Considered any more.
    What think you, son of Alabama, about Jeff Sessions.
    AMDG

  5. If I believed liberals on Facebook, I would think he was a racist p.o.s. However, I’m sure he’s not. I’ve always seen him as a principled man, and was very surprised when he embraced Trump early on. I would expect him to be a competent and fair attorney general.

  6. That’s why I asked. I thought you would say something like that.
    AMDG

  7. I was listening to something on NPR just a few days ago that was talking about how a lots of blacks became communists. They were interviewing a black woman, but I just can’t remember the context at the moment. It wasn’t so much the ideology of Communism, but the fact that they gave the blacks opportunity.
    There was something in the movie about your grandfather that about the Communists supporting the Scottsboro Boys.
    AMDG

  8. Yes, they very much did. I think they were a fairly big factor in the whole affair. Or at least got a lot of publicity and did not help the defense. I can’t blame blacks (or anybody else for that matter, but it’s especially understandable for them) who became communists when the truth about it was not well known.

  9. Right. I’m just saying that they are condemning him for saying what is an acknowledged truth–acknowledged on NPR even.
    AMDG

  10. “him”=Sessions?

  11. Yes. It was discussed in that link.
    AMDG

  12. I don’t disagree with much of what you say, Mac. My only point of contention is that you minimize any ugliness on the Right by only stating that the Left is all wrong and horrible and driven by silly sentiment. I am on the Left, but don’t identify with the crazies there.
    Samantha Bee is another of the Daily Show people. Got her start on Jon Stewart’s Comedy Central news show. I’ve never watched her show but there certainly are a lot of advertisements these days.
    I’m hoping for the best from Trump & Company but then there he is tweeting to the cast of Hamilton this morning. Serious newspeople have said: audience was wrong to boo Pence, but what was said by the cast member was dignified and respectful.

  13. Maybe dignified and respectful, but totally inappropriate. When I pay for a service, I do not expect to be embarrassed or vilified by the people that I am paying to do it.
    AMDG

  14. I’d agree that it was inappropriate, though not really a big deal. Even more inappropriate is Trump jumping out there on Twitter and demanding an apology or something, or so I see people reporting. I hope somebody can talk him into restraining that tendency to lash out. Being insulted comes with the presidency.
    Stu, the reason I didn’t say as much about post-election craziness on the right is that I’m not seeing it. It may be there, but the reports I hear are not sourced or documented, so I don’t know if they’re even real or not. The conservative publications I read were mostly anti-Trump and are glad Hillary lost but not thrilled about Trump. My Trump-supporting friends on Facebook just said “Yay! We won” and moved on–no taunting, no racial animosity. But the left-wing stuff that comes my way is heavy on the hysterics. That “extinction” thing I linked to was posted on Facebook.
    Regarding Samantha Bee, I think the Jon Stewart school of comedy-punditry, and its supporters, don’t realize that their audience is mostly or maybe all people who already agree, and the rest of us never even hear it when they “completely DESTROY” some right-wing person or idea.

  15. Watching the nightly news you see cell phone footage (I suppose) of kids chanting at other kids (minorities) about building the wall, etc. One would suppose that parents of these kids are Trump supporters. I really just watch the half hour newscast each evening and try to stay away from everything else if possible – you saw my FB post. I haven’t unfriended anyone, but I’ve stopped following so many that I’m really just using FB for the friends that are non-political and to see updates from “liked” stuff. I am only arguing that for anything awful on the left there exists that same element on the right.

  16. I don’t watch tv news so I guess that’s why I haven’t seen it. That’s…what’s the word?…deplorable. If it’s happening at school I hope the management is cracking down on them.

  17. It would be a big deal if you were somebody who had plunked down $250 to see that play and were just there for a pleasant evening, or maybe a Trump supporter.
    AMDG

  18. Yes, that about the chanting is deplorable. I’ve only read about it on Humans of New York.
    AMDG

  19. I heard Pence’s seat was $800. Inconceivable!
    Oh sure, I would be quite angry if it were directed at me, and annoyed if I were just a Trump-Pence supporter, but this kind of thing is part of being a politician. I think Pence has more or less shrugged it off, which is smart.

  20. Pence talked with Mike Wallace today about what happened, and unlike Trump, handled it very nicely, I think, saying he wasn’t offended and then going on to try to reassure those who might be worried and fearful:

    ‘Hamilton’ is just an incredible production, and incredibly talented people. It was a real joy to be there. You know when we arrived, we heard a few boos, and we heard some cheers. I nudged my kids and reminded them that’s what freedom sounds like.
    At the end, you know, I did hear what was said from the stage, and I can tell you I wasn’t offended by what was said. I’ll leave to others whether that was the appropriate venue to say it.
    I do want to say that the basic element, the center of that message is one that I want to address. That is, I know that this is a very disappointing time for people that did not see their candidate win in this national election. I know this is a very anxious time for some people. I just want to reassure people that what President-elect Donald Trump said on election night, he absolutely meant from the bottom of his heart.
    He is preparing to be the president of all of the people of the United States of America, and to watch him bringing together people of diverse views, bringing together people that differed with him strongly, seeing him talk to leaders around the world, I just want to reassure every American that in the days ahead, I’m very confident that they’re going to see President-elect Donald Trump be a president for all of the people, and we embrace that principle and we’re going to work hard to make that principle every day that we serve.

    Now if he can just get that message across to Trump.

  21. I’m really glad he left it up to me to decide whether or not it was appropriate. 😉
    AMDG

  22. Robert Gotcher

    Some kids at Marquette High in Milwaukee were doing stuff like that. Not knowing the context, I can’t say what the significance was (who the kids were; whether they thought they were just funning; whether they were Trump supporters, etc.) The admin did address it aggressively.
    Unfortunately, it looks like some of the juvenile stuff on there left is being done by adults.
    In a democracy there are other, more mature ways to address perceived threat, whether you are black, Hispanic, or white. Democracy doesn’t work well with immature, not to mention unvirtuous people.

  23. It’s very odd that there are kids doing this in all these locations. Where is that coming from? Do they see it on TV?
    I don’t even watch the news and I am so sick of the irresponsible, biased press that I can’t stand it.
    I have asked my family not to discuss politics on Thanksgiving.
    AMDG

  24. There was an email exchange within my family that could have been considered funny by somebody with no personal involvement and a very dark sense of humor. But it was real and not funny.
    “Democracy doesn’t work well with immature, not to mention unvirtuous people.”
    Indeed.
    Very classy response from Pence. And yeah, I hope he can get it across to his boss.

  25. Nicely, we do not discuss politics in my family. Thanksgiving will be good. I love Mike Pence’s repsonse.

  26. After 8 years of hearing Obama dissed I will be happy to laugh at Trump tweets for at least the next 4. There are good things about the other side winning. Speaking of winning, how come Charlie Sheen isn’t being considered for a cabinet post? He would be perfect to work with The Donald!

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